S5-11: Tech Team Tuesday with Shane Hendren and Fiona Morrison

Rio Grande Jewelry Tech Team member, Shane Hendren, and Fiona Morrison of Rio's sales team talk shop and answer your jewelry-making questions.

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Topics covered in this episode:

1) Casting 

2) Annie Osburn: https://weavingandforging.com/pages/about

3) Stone Setting 

4) Friedrich Dick Files: https://tinyurl.com/mw6nymp4

5) Rio Benches 

Products mentioned in this episode:

1) Rio Grande Jeweler's Workbench: https://tinyurl.com/2jrw87pm

2) GRS® Quick-Change Round Rubber Manual Handle with Three Tool Holders: https://tinyurl.com/4dxw6hn8

Have a question for the Jewelry Tech Team? Email us at podcast@riogrande.com, and we will try to answer your question on the next episode.

The promo code Files10 expires on 5/31/24.

Transcript

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Good morning and welcome to

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Tech Tuesday live at 11.

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Today, my special guest is Fiona.

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Is it Morrison?

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Fiona Morrison.

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Fiona Morrison is a

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multifaceted person and

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we're going to get to know

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Fiona this morning.

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Fiona, do you like Frederick Dick Files?

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I'd say that over time I've

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definitely used a wide variety of files.

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They're def they're well-made.

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I'd say some of my finer

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grit files that I've used

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are going to be a Frederick

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Dick and they're a workhorse.

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They'll definitely last you

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a long time and they're high quality.

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you don't have to worry too

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much about scraping or

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trying to push through

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something that's not

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supposed to be there.

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So it's a good deal.

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And you know what you're talking about.

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So Fiona, on that note,

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tell us a little bit about yourself.

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How did you come to Rio Grande?

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Well, about,

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I'd say just about five years now, I am

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I was in college,

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and I was originally

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looking for a part-time

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bench jewelry job.

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And through the process of looking at that,

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I came across Rio.

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And I'd been a customer of

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Rio for many years.

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And kind of looking at what we were doing,

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it was a good fit.

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I applied originally for our

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manufacturing resource team.

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And I got the job.

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And originally,

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I started out over in our

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stamp and form department.

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And from there moved pretty

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much across manufacturing

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from casting to hot stamp, wax and tree,

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our scrap buying program,

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helping out customization,

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just kind of all over the place,

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wherever the need was.

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then over time from there

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with covid that came

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obviously everything

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changed yeah there was a

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high demand but also there

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was more demand on a

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specific team which at the

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time was casting and the

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team lead at the time

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approached me and said hey

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you're here almost every

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day anyways would you be

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interested in joining the

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team full time and

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I went for it because it was the closest,

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I'd say,

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to my background interest as a

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jeweler and having that

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hands-on experience.

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It was just something that I

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was finding fun with what

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we were doing here in-house.

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And so I went for that and

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was on the casting team for...

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probably full-time at least

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two or three years before,

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and during that time,

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obviously helping out in

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some other areas where it was needed,

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such as customization.

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So tell us specifically,

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what is the casting team?

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What do you guys,

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what does the casting team do?

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What doesn't the casting

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team do is a better question.

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It's, I mean,

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obviously across our manufacturing, it's,

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there's definitely a lot that gets,

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a lot that gets done,

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but the casting team is a really,

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multifaceted team, I would say,

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because it's going to take

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everything from here is a wax tree.

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We are now going to take that.

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It's going to be invested.

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We're going to do a burnout.

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We're going to do a cast.

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We're going to

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do any clipping that needs

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to be done grinding buffing

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mass finishing polishing

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any pieces that need

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soldering work done that's

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going to be done by casting

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as well okay it's any

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quality checking after the

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fact it's going to go

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through that entire process

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that is needed to cast a

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piece essentially from a

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wax to a finish a finished

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piece that's ready to enter stock

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Oh, wow.

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So you guys do it all.

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We do it all.

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You did it all because

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you're no longer with casting.

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They lost you.

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They did.

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And what do you do now?

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So I'm now in the sales department.

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Okay.

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Working with real pro customers.

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We... I was...

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obviously as I'm sure yeah

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you're where I've been

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working towards tech for a

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couple years now and so

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that was sort of the next

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best progression for me of

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wanting to fill in my

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repertoire with sales

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experience and I'd say I

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hope I've definitely taken

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to it it's been a nice

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challenge um getting to

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talk about that jewelry

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knowledge and just help

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troubleshoot with people

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Well,

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you're in a very interesting

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situation as a salesperson

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for Rio Pro because with

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your jewelry background,

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you can really help people,

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especially people that are

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designing a production

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setup and know what tools they need,

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what the latest technology is,

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what's going to work best for them,

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that kind of thing.

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Yeah.

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Here at Rio Grande,

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we try to position people

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in positions like that

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because a lot of times,

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tech is not all it's cracked up to be.

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It's...

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oftentimes we're dealing

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with a lot of people's

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problems on the tech team.

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How do I fix this?

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This is going wrong.

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What do you recommend?

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That kind of thing.

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Whereas on your end,

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you get to help people

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build their business.

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And in doing so,

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grow it and make it into a viable entity.

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So I admire that a lot with

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our salespeople because you

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guys are integral in

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helping people take

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something sometimes...

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in the six years that I've

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been here I've seen a

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number of companies that um

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go from zero to six figures

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and yeah and it's because

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of the the sales people

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here at rio that they work

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with they've helped them to

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to get started to get the

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right tools and then over

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time to scale that business

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and grow it yeah and that's

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that's pretty admirable

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that what you guys do well it's also

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just on like a personal

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level very fulfilling in

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order to see someone go

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from something they either

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have no experience in or a

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medium or a skill that

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they're they've been eyeing

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for a while being like I

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really want to do that and

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then seeing them make that

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leap and being able to

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assist them how you can in

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order to actually get there

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I'd say there's

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a couple of people I've

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worked with recently who

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are getting into working in

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gold or starting doing casting and

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Just seeing them being like, hey,

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this is something that exists.

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I've worked in this other

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medium for a while,

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and I really want to try that.

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I'm interested in that.

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Then seeing them be successful at it,

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it's very fulfilling.

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And just seeing what people do with skills,

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because everyone's a very

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creative individual.

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Well,

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my observation in what you guys do a

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lot of times is...

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a lot of times we'll have a

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customer that has an idea

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but they're not ready to

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pull the trigger because

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they they either lack the

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experience or they lack the

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uh the knowledge on how to

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bring their vision to

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reality and that's what I

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see you guys in sales doing

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a lot of times especially

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with real pro because

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You can guide people and you can say,

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these are the tools you

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need and this is the

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outcome you're going to get

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with those tools.

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And I think a lot of times

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when people see that,

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when they realize that they

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have somebody who has the experience,

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has the knowledge,

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who's not just trying to

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sell them something,

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but wants them to succeed.

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That's the biggest difference, I think.

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Yeah, I hope so.

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No, that's been my observation.

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But we've already got questions,

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so we're going to challenge

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you here a little bit.

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From YouTube, Martin C. Munoz asks,

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I have two questions.

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First,

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when will the Rio Jewelers Bench

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113800 be back in stock?

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And the second question,

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which Rio bench would you

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buy as your first, 113800 or 113802?

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So the first question, sometime this month,

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hopefully.

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I'll give you a visual.

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So this is one bench.

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This is the 113800.

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So he wants to know your recommendations.

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And this is 113802.

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So if you were buying your first bench,

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which one would you lean towards?

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I would say go back.

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I would say probably that

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113800 simply because

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having those drawers next

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to you really makes a

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difference because

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especially if you're using

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your bench for a lot of

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different purposes,

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having the ability to

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basically pack what you're

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doing up and put it in a

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contained space that you

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have easy access to,

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especially because certain

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Certain techniques, there's a lot of tools,

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there's a lot of pieces you need,

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and being able to have that

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quick interchange really helps.

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Also,

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I believe that is the one that has

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the two levels.

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Yeah, so it has the two different levels.

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for both the dust catch as

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well as this sort of second

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tray in there where you can

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place tools which again is

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really helpful it also has

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the armrests on it and I

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believe that's the we're

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talking about the 113 800

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yeah the real grande

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jeweler's workbench I mean

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It's kind of hard also

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talking about workbenches because

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I feel like over time, personally,

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I recommend starting out

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with something that isn't a

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jeweler's bench.

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I recommend starting out

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with just some sort of a tabletop,

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a work table,

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something that you can see

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how you need to use it

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first in order to see what

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kind of benches fit for you.

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Because really that's what

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it comes down to.

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Each bench is going to have

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benefits in different ways.

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They're different shapes.

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They're different sizes.

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They have different compartments.

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Figuring out what you need

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for your process is going

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to be the deciding factor

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at the end of the day.

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I think that's the most important thing.

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The 113800, in my experience,

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is the bench that you're

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going to see in the vast

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majority of jewelry schools.

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Yeah.

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And it's because you've got

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the three drawers on the right.

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They're the same benches

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that we use in Saul Bell,

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our training room.

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The other bench, the 113802,

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is also a good multipurpose bench.

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It has less storage.

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Mm-hmm.

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And what I see that bench

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used for most often is stone setters.

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Because they don't require

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as much storage.

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And it only has the one

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catch tray and the one

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storage tray in the center.

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And I think those are really

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the only two differences.

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Yeah.

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The 113802,

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because it doesn't have that

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bank of drawers that comes down,

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it leaves room under it to

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put a John Ayer air compressor.

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So like I said, for stone setters,

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you can set your GRS up on

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top or your Lindsay and

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your compressors under there.

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Everything is contained.

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The other one is great if

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you're just general jewelry,

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silversmithing, that kind of thing.

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So that's the way I would approach it.

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Martin C. Muñoz,

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and we appreciate your question.

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And let me remind you,

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now is your opportunity to

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ask as many questions as you want.

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I encourage you to get your questions in.

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If Fiona and I can't answer your questions,

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we will find somebody who can.

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We definitely don't know everything,

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but we're here to answer

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your questions for you

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because that is the reason

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why we have Tech Tuesday.

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We want people to be able to

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ask their questions.

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Feel free to come in.

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And I want to introduce them

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to people here at Rio

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Grande so they understand

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who's behind the scenes and

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making things happen.

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I've got one other question here.

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This is from YouTube,

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and it's from Mary...

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Kachi, I'm sorry if I mispronounced that.

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And the question is,

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and this is right up your alley,

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I'm interested in casting.

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When I was a student,

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we always had trouble with

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porosity using a vacuum system.

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This was a long time ago.

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They want to know,

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is porosity still a problem

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with the new systems?

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So with that...

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Generally,

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a good way to look at this is

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that porosity is going to

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be caused from temperature issues,

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not necessarily pressure issues.

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If it's going to be a pressure issue,

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that will affect the grain structure,

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which is sort of inside of the cast.

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Porosity is more of a surface issue,

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which again,

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there's lots of causes

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depending if you're doing a burnout.

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Is that too hot?

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Do you need to let it cool

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down before you put it in your caster?

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After, say that's not it,

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when you're actually casting the metal,

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is the metal temp too hot

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when it's going in there?

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Do you need to let it sit

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after it's been cast before

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it might be quenched out?

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There's a lot,

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especially with certain types of metal,

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there are...

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like Argenium, for instance,

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is a very temperature sensitive metal,

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especially using hot processes.

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And so there's a lot more

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things you have to be aware

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of and keep an eye out for

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because there can be a lot

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that's affected by that.

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I would say in the most case

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when you are running into porosity,

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it is a sign of temperature.

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And I know I think you

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mentioned earlier when we

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were speaking that another

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thing that you can run into

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is if you're casting with dirty metal,

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that's something that can

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also affect surface.

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Because when you melt metal,

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any impurities are going to

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raise to the surface.

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So that's what you're going

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to see on the outside of your cast.

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Which typically,

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it looks slightly different than porosity,

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but not at a huge level.

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And especially with certain temperatures,

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it's going to burn off a lot of excess.

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Pull your mic a little bit closer, Fiona.

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Okay.

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They're telling me you're a

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little bit quiet.

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So hopefully that's a little better.

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But anyhow, I agree with you,

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especially as students.

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A lot of times we use what's

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available to us.

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We're using dirty metal and

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everything that can give us

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less than desirable results.

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But nine times out of 10,

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what our experience has

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been when a customer calls in and says,

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this metal isn't casting

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correctly or anything.

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Nine times out of 10,

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it's a temperature issue.

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Yeah.

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The other thing, sorry to interrupt you.

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No, no.

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The old,

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it's not necessarily going to be porosity,

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but one other thing you can

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run into is with investing.

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If for some reason you don't

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have a proper seal when

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pressurizing your invest.

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Sometimes that can also

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cause minor air bubbles.

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Usually that looks more like a bubble,

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but depending on if it's an

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almost tight seal,

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but there's just a little

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bit of oxygen in there,

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that is something that

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could also cause what

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appears to be porosity on

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the surface or just surface issues.

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And like anything else,

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casting is one of those

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things where the more you do it,

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the better you get at it.

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Yeah.

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So it really does become

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more intuitive over time.

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We've got another question from YouTube.

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Deb Machen, or yeah,

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let's go with Deb's question first.

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Actually, they're coming in.

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I'm getting all kinds of questions.

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We'll go with Deb's first.

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Deb,

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can I buy one graver and one handle

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without having to drill and fit it?

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Do you know anything about engraving?

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I'm going to defer that to

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you as our master graver.

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Well, yes and no.

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You can buy one graver and one handle,

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but if you're going to use

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the wooden handles,

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you're going to have to

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drill it and hammer that

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handle onto the graver.

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My recommendation is to get

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the GRS tool holders.

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And we have a three pack of

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those that come with a handle.

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And that gives you the

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ability to mount your gravers in there.

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And you can take them in and out.

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That's the most efficient.

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And if you're contemplating engraving,

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the GRS system is the best

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because those tool holders...

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will work in that manual handheld piece,

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but they'll also transition

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into the sharpening system

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as well as any of the GRS

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pneumatic systems.

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So that's what I always recommend, Deb.

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But you can always go old school.

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I still have a dozen gravers

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that are mounted in old wooden handles,

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and they still work.

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But we'll go to our next question.

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This one is also from YouTube,

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and it's from Vistacha International.

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He says, or she says,

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I have a homemade bench.

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Is there any material apart

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from leather you recommend

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as a bench skirt?

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Have you ever used a bench with a skirt?

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Not particularly.

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I've seen jewelers who do, um,

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I haven't personally,

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just because I tend to have,

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I tend to store a lot of

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things under my bench in

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order to sort of maximize space.

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So I want to have quick access to it.

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But I'm trying to think what I've seen.

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Well,

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I personally have never used a skirt.

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One of my teammates is a skirt person.

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And he came up with an

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interesting – I'm a tray guy.

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I've always been a tray guy.

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And I think it's because not

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only do I use it as a catch tray,

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but it's an additional

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place to store stuff.

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And you can't store anything in a skirt.

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Oh, yeah.

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The other thing is a skirt

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oftentimes affects how many

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drawers you can have or not have.

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But Scott Bradford,

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and I think we have a video somewhere.

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Oh, we do.

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He uses his apron as his skirt.

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Doesn't he have Velcro?

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He uses Velcro.

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Yeah.

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He Velcros the corners of his apron,

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and that becomes his catch.

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And it works fantastic.

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And that's canvas.

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Personally,

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of all the benches I've seen with skirts,

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I've never seen one that wasn't leather.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I'm trying to think.

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I think it's because of the durability,

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and I think it's because

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they put the smooth side up,

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so it makes it easier to

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gather your sweeps and

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everything than any other material.

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Most fabrics are porous.

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Yeah, I'm just trying to think, though,

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for a stone setter,

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fabric would probably be a better option,

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potentially,

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just in case you do end up

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dropping a very tiny stone.

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I don't know that I've ever

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seen a stone setter's bench, though,

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with a skirt.

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I think most do use a tray.

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Yeah,

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because you have to have something to

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set your holder on, your vise.

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So most stone setters,

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I don't think I've ever

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seen a stone setter's bench.

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with a skirt I'm thinking

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most of them are trays yeah

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yeah but yeah that's um in

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manufacturing what do they

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use trays or do they use

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skirts mostly just trays

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and yeah I'd say over

00:20:42.280 --> 00:20:43.442
manufacturing mostly it's a

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shared bench so right

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having a tray is definitely

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good because there's a lot

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of accumulated tools that end up there

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So there's a little

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differentiation there

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because you worked in

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manufacturing and

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manufacturing produces the

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findings and things that we sell,

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the vast majority of them.

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Yeah.

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And so that's when we're

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talking about manufacturing,

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that's what we're talking about.

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But we also have another

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division of the company

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called customization.

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Yes.

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And you're also familiar with that.

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Can you tell us a little bit

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about customization and what they do?

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So customization is a great

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resource and you can find a

00:21:20.546 --> 00:21:21.626
lot more information about

00:21:21.646 --> 00:21:23.186
this on the website or from

00:21:23.346 --> 00:21:25.227
emailing into customization

00:21:25.386 --> 00:21:26.627
at Rio Grande dot com.

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They offer a wide variety of

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services from custom

00:21:30.688 --> 00:21:32.951
casting in karat gold.

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In certain instances, depending on the job,

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they can do some stone setting as well.

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I have some background with that.

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And then we also have our

00:21:42.564 --> 00:21:43.925
other resources such as

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I think we're doing engraving as well,

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laser engraving.

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Technically, our hot stamp, I believe,

00:21:53.151 --> 00:21:55.471
is part of customization.

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I utilize them a lot.

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All of my packaging and

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everything has my hallmark

00:22:00.733 --> 00:22:02.273
and everything on it.

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I've been probably 15 years

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they've been doing that for me.

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They do phenomenal work.

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Correct me if I'm wrong,

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but all the boxes are made in the USA.

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And at least they were up

00:22:15.548 --> 00:22:16.609
until the last batch I

00:22:16.690 --> 00:22:17.651
ordered six months ago.

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I think most of them.

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I don't think all of them necessarily are,

00:22:22.659 --> 00:22:22.838
but...

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All the ones that I order are.

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And it's important.

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I tell people this when I

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make a recommendation

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because I've experienced this personally.

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So I'm speaking from my own experience.

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But I've ordered the cheap

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boxes from China.

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And they've adversely affected my jewelry.

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They discolored it and

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caused it to tarnish prematurely.

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And I think it has a lot to

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do with the glues they use

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and things like that.

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I don't know what...

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I know the paper boxes is

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what I'm referring to.

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The paper boxes that I buy

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here at Rio are made in the USA.

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And they're designed for jewelry.

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So that's one of the reasons

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why I like them very much.

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And I buy them repetitively.

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And it also is reflective of my work,

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you know.

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Yeah, yeah,

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and definitely and that is the

00:23:14.803 --> 00:23:15.482
big draw to our

00:23:15.522 --> 00:23:16.884
customization services is

00:23:17.443 --> 00:23:19.384
being able to customize

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something depending on what

00:23:22.986 --> 00:23:24.026
that may be for you in

00:23:25.346 --> 00:23:27.946
order to get what you're

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looking for the best

00:23:28.707 --> 00:23:30.208
represent your own work and

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also create something that

00:23:33.308 --> 00:23:34.588
in some cases you might not

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have the setup or the

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time in order to make yourself.

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So something like our custom

00:23:40.990 --> 00:23:43.996
casting is a wonderful

00:23:44.797 --> 00:23:46.359
option for customers who

00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:47.741
are looking into that and

00:23:47.781 --> 00:23:49.384
who need something for that.

00:23:50.324 --> 00:23:51.505
That sort of goes along with

00:23:51.545 --> 00:23:52.525
this question that we

00:23:52.565 --> 00:23:53.945
received on Instagram from

00:23:54.026 --> 00:23:54.826
Lunick Jewelry.

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They say, Hi,

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I have come to the moment

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that I need someone to help

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me at the studio.

00:24:01.369 --> 00:24:02.529
How could I efficiently

00:24:02.609 --> 00:24:04.871
choose a person capable to work on bench,

00:24:05.451 --> 00:24:07.011
finishing, plating, etc.?

00:24:08.272 --> 00:24:08.532
You know,

00:24:08.633 --> 00:24:11.213
this question is something that

00:24:11.273 --> 00:24:12.414
comes to the tech team regularly.

00:24:13.395 --> 00:24:15.116
pretty regular yeah because

00:24:15.517 --> 00:24:16.557
you'll oftentimes have a

00:24:16.676 --> 00:24:18.336
one-man show and they get

00:24:18.397 --> 00:24:19.498
they start getting so much

00:24:19.617 --> 00:24:20.877
work that now they need to

00:24:20.958 --> 00:24:23.358
scale up yeah and like in

00:24:23.459 --> 00:24:24.479
europe for example they

00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:26.299
have a whole apprenticeship

00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:28.099
program that that young

00:24:28.140 --> 00:24:29.121
jewelers work their way

00:24:29.161 --> 00:24:30.480
through and everything and

00:24:30.580 --> 00:24:31.862
so when somebody's entering

00:24:31.882 --> 00:24:32.981
that apprenticeship program

00:24:34.365 --> 00:24:35.467
you know that they wanna be

00:24:35.487 --> 00:24:38.208
a jeweler because they got

00:24:38.248 --> 00:24:39.489
into the program.

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They have to apply,

00:24:40.470 --> 00:24:41.529
they have to show a desire.

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What I oftentimes recommend

00:24:44.432 --> 00:24:45.653
to people is to look in

00:24:45.692 --> 00:24:47.074
their community and see if

00:24:47.094 --> 00:24:49.715
there's a trade school or a

00:24:49.776 --> 00:24:50.955
community college or even a

00:24:51.036 --> 00:24:52.938
university that has a jewelry program

00:24:53.678 --> 00:24:54.877
and tried to connect with

00:24:55.018 --> 00:24:57.098
the professor in that

00:24:57.179 --> 00:24:58.480
program to make a

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recommendation as far as a

00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:03.201
student that shows the

00:25:03.260 --> 00:25:04.820
capability and the desire.

00:25:05.622 --> 00:25:06.761
Because really,

00:25:06.801 --> 00:25:08.482
that's how I started in the beginning.

00:25:09.343 --> 00:25:11.804
I learned all my basic skills in college,

00:25:12.443 --> 00:25:13.824
and then I went to work for

00:25:13.884 --> 00:25:14.884
an established jeweler.

00:25:17.333 --> 00:25:18.513
they got me off and running.

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You know,

00:25:19.173 --> 00:25:21.215
I spent a couple of years doing

00:25:21.256 --> 00:25:23.958
all the grunt work, all the dirty work,

00:25:24.117 --> 00:25:27.019
and it taught me a couple of things.

00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:28.201
It taught me, one,

00:25:28.721 --> 00:25:30.863
that you could make a living as a jeweler,

00:25:31.663 --> 00:25:34.325
but it also showed me the

00:25:34.384 --> 00:25:35.645
processes that you had to

00:25:35.705 --> 00:25:39.068
go through to go from point

00:25:39.169 --> 00:25:41.750
A to point B and have a sellable product.

00:25:42.151 --> 00:25:44.573
So you've been doing jewelry

00:25:44.613 --> 00:25:45.252
for quite a while.

00:25:45.313 --> 00:25:46.074
When did you start?

00:25:47.688 --> 00:25:47.768
Oh,

00:25:47.827 --> 00:25:50.869
I'd say probably about when I was 12

00:25:50.869 --> 00:25:51.329
years old,

00:25:51.349 --> 00:25:54.932
I started a little bit before that,

00:25:54.971 --> 00:25:56.873
but I was really just as a

00:25:56.932 --> 00:25:58.114
kid getting my hands on

00:25:58.354 --> 00:25:59.775
anything I possibly could,

00:26:00.295 --> 00:26:01.596
whether that was trash I

00:26:01.615 --> 00:26:02.215
was finding on the

00:26:02.256 --> 00:26:04.096
playground or twist ties

00:26:04.176 --> 00:26:05.417
from the grocery store and

00:26:05.877 --> 00:26:09.000
just started slowly making things.

00:26:09.019 --> 00:26:10.820
And around that time,

00:26:13.746 --> 00:26:15.567
My mother wrote about jewelers for many,

00:26:15.607 --> 00:26:17.929
many years and was sort of

00:26:18.450 --> 00:26:19.651
approached it saying, hey,

00:26:19.990 --> 00:26:22.432
is this something that you

00:26:22.472 --> 00:26:23.334
might be interested in?

00:26:23.354 --> 00:26:26.076
And then finding someone

00:26:26.115 --> 00:26:27.436
willing to teach someone

00:26:27.477 --> 00:26:28.617
who's young is obviously

00:26:28.738 --> 00:26:29.638
kind of a challenge.

00:26:30.098 --> 00:26:31.740
And definitely there was a

00:26:31.800 --> 00:26:32.942
lot of steps to finding

00:26:32.981 --> 00:26:33.761
someone who's willing to

00:26:33.801 --> 00:26:34.762
teach me the basics.

00:26:36.203 --> 00:26:37.825
once I did I started out

00:26:37.904 --> 00:26:40.164
with cold connections

00:26:40.945 --> 00:26:43.246
soldering and just a wide

00:26:43.286 --> 00:26:44.626
variety of really basic

00:26:44.646 --> 00:26:45.987
skills that anyone can do

00:26:47.467 --> 00:26:48.887
pretty much with minimal

00:26:48.948 --> 00:26:51.148
tools so no electrical

00:26:51.388 --> 00:26:52.709
tools no pneumatic tools

00:26:52.929 --> 00:26:54.170
pretty much just here's a

00:26:54.210 --> 00:26:56.109
hammer right here's a torch

00:26:56.970 --> 00:26:59.570
here's a hand drill and do

00:26:59.611 --> 00:27:01.711
what you can and for many many years

00:27:02.571 --> 00:27:04.272
just building off of those skills,

00:27:04.992 --> 00:27:07.634
learning from jewelers I knew,

00:27:08.394 --> 00:27:10.013
anyone who was just willing

00:27:10.054 --> 00:27:11.654
to teach me pretty much any

00:27:11.694 --> 00:27:12.194
little things.

00:27:12.295 --> 00:27:14.056
Over the years, I picked up more skills,

00:27:15.096 --> 00:27:18.217
things like repoussé, stone setting,

00:27:18.416 --> 00:27:19.696
just anything I could

00:27:19.876 --> 00:27:21.718
possibly get my hands on.

00:27:21.817 --> 00:27:23.638
I want to get into that a little deeper,

00:27:23.659 --> 00:27:25.679
but you sort of glossed over it.

00:27:25.719 --> 00:27:27.279
Your mom is an author,

00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:28.920
and your mom has written

00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:29.859
some books about some

00:27:30.019 --> 00:27:31.401
pretty amazing jewelers.

00:27:31.840 --> 00:27:33.643
One of them that I admire greatly.

00:27:34.303 --> 00:27:36.625
And you were telling me

00:27:36.684 --> 00:27:39.047
before we came on air that

00:27:39.248 --> 00:27:40.307
you actually got to travel

00:27:40.367 --> 00:27:42.329
with your mom and go to

00:27:42.410 --> 00:27:43.711
different places and everything.

00:27:44.231 --> 00:27:46.693
So just real quick, tell us, first of all,

00:27:47.013 --> 00:27:48.075
your mother's name so that

00:27:48.115 --> 00:27:49.675
people can look her up.

00:27:49.717 --> 00:27:51.357
They can Google her and find her books.

00:27:51.738 --> 00:27:52.419
So give us that.

00:27:52.659 --> 00:27:54.460
So my mother's name is Annie Osborne.

00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:57.361
She's written about jewelry

00:27:57.381 --> 00:27:58.921
designers and artists for many,

00:27:58.980 --> 00:28:01.842
many years, a number of amazing books.

00:28:01.862 --> 00:28:03.103
She's a wonderful author.

00:28:03.843 --> 00:28:06.063
So one that we were talking about earlier,

00:28:06.083 --> 00:28:06.663
um,

00:28:06.683 --> 00:28:08.084
she wrote a book about Charles

00:28:08.104 --> 00:28:09.365
Lillema's niece Vermin

00:28:09.384 --> 00:28:13.705
Akwetewa and called, oh my God,

00:28:13.726 --> 00:28:15.987
I'm completely spacing on this.

00:28:17.586 --> 00:28:17.926
Oh my God.

00:28:17.946 --> 00:28:18.788
I just told you earlier.

00:28:18.807 --> 00:28:19.208
Wow.

00:28:20.362 --> 00:28:21.022
It's a red book.

00:28:21.123 --> 00:28:22.364
I can see the cover of it.

00:28:22.864 --> 00:28:23.284
Oh, my God.

00:28:23.604 --> 00:28:24.325
I own this book.

00:28:24.565 --> 00:28:25.445
You do own this book.

00:28:25.486 --> 00:28:26.606
We were just talking about this.

00:28:26.666 --> 00:28:27.507
Why am I spacing?

00:28:27.527 --> 00:28:28.008
I can't remember.

00:28:28.028 --> 00:28:28.887
Visions of Sonwai.

00:28:28.948 --> 00:28:29.348
There you go.

00:28:29.469 --> 00:28:30.349
There we go.

00:28:30.369 --> 00:28:30.670
Sorry.

00:28:30.690 --> 00:28:33.291
And beautiful book.

00:28:34.192 --> 00:28:35.993
We were just having a conversation.

00:28:36.054 --> 00:28:37.214
There was an opening at the

00:28:37.255 --> 00:28:38.395
Heard Museum not that long

00:28:38.435 --> 00:28:41.958
ago that you were at on this book.

00:28:42.238 --> 00:28:44.119
She also wrote one of the

00:28:44.259 --> 00:28:45.740
well-known turquoise books out there,

00:28:47.682 --> 00:28:48.143
Gem of the...

00:28:51.846 --> 00:28:52.685
Jim of the Southwest?

00:28:52.766 --> 00:28:53.126
Yes.

00:28:54.567 --> 00:28:55.567
I think I own that book also.

00:28:55.688 --> 00:28:56.367
You probably do.

00:28:56.428 --> 00:28:57.387
It's a collector's book now.

00:28:57.407 --> 00:28:58.628
I didn't realize that was your mom.

00:28:59.148 --> 00:28:59.628
Yeah, sorry.

00:28:59.709 --> 00:28:59.788
Oh,

00:28:59.808 --> 00:29:01.069
you took me off guard with this question.

00:29:01.089 --> 00:29:02.170
I wasn't expecting this.

00:29:02.711 --> 00:29:03.730
So, yes.

00:29:03.830 --> 00:29:05.511
So that's also a collector's book.

00:29:05.672 --> 00:29:05.791
It's...

00:29:08.027 --> 00:29:09.047
very collectible at the

00:29:09.086 --> 00:29:10.508
moment there was a small

00:29:10.548 --> 00:29:11.768
run of some paperbacks as

00:29:11.847 --> 00:29:14.127
well um they're still

00:29:14.167 --> 00:29:15.328
available so you can also

00:29:15.388 --> 00:29:17.229
reach out to her she still

00:29:17.269 --> 00:29:18.229
has them that she's selling

00:29:18.269 --> 00:29:21.089
on that as well and yeah so

00:29:21.109 --> 00:29:21.930
she wrote about jewelry

00:29:21.970 --> 00:29:23.190
artists for many years a

00:29:23.830 --> 00:29:25.230
number of magazine

00:29:25.270 --> 00:29:30.271
publications books just and

00:29:30.291 --> 00:29:32.152
just skills and information

00:29:32.231 --> 00:29:34.353
that I grew up around seeing

00:29:36.585 --> 00:29:38.025
And it was a really good

00:29:38.065 --> 00:29:39.685
resource because ironically,

00:29:39.746 --> 00:29:42.987
it's not actually why I got into jewelry.

00:29:43.106 --> 00:29:44.366
I was already sort of

00:29:45.027 --> 00:29:46.347
messing around with some things,

00:29:46.407 --> 00:29:47.488
but it was a really good

00:29:47.607 --> 00:29:50.128
opportunity to bridge that gap and say,

00:29:50.409 --> 00:29:50.548
Hey,

00:29:51.068 --> 00:29:52.568
this is something you have an

00:29:52.648 --> 00:29:53.368
aptitude with.

00:29:54.130 --> 00:29:55.089
Let's explore that.

00:29:55.890 --> 00:29:57.130
And so I did end up

00:29:57.470 --> 00:29:58.671
exploring that and it ended

00:29:58.750 --> 00:30:00.070
up panning out and it's

00:30:00.171 --> 00:30:01.211
something that I became

00:30:01.912 --> 00:30:03.412
highly passionate about and

00:30:05.586 --> 00:30:08.648
was something that I just, over the years,

00:30:08.709 --> 00:30:09.308
I think, grew with.

00:30:09.328 --> 00:30:10.390
And you're very skilled.

00:30:10.470 --> 00:30:12.251
I mean, for anybody who's watching,

00:30:12.291 --> 00:30:13.792
the jewelry she's wearing, she made.

00:30:13.813 --> 00:30:15.674
You're very complimentary.

00:30:15.694 --> 00:30:17.717
So she's also a very skilled jeweler.

00:30:17.737 --> 00:30:18.136
Thank you.

00:30:18.778 --> 00:30:19.798
And that's one of the things

00:30:19.818 --> 00:30:21.259
that I think is important

00:30:21.299 --> 00:30:22.540
for people that are out

00:30:22.580 --> 00:30:25.503
there in the ether to understand.

00:30:26.203 --> 00:30:28.526
You bring this skill set.

00:30:28.566 --> 00:30:29.586
You bring this passion.

00:30:29.626 --> 00:30:31.127
You bring all these years of

00:30:31.209 --> 00:30:32.249
experience with you.

00:30:33.430 --> 00:30:34.730
to a position where you're

00:30:34.790 --> 00:30:37.352
helping people to grow their businesses,

00:30:37.652 --> 00:30:38.893
to create their businesses.

00:30:39.893 --> 00:30:41.513
You can help them with customization.

00:30:41.574 --> 00:30:43.115
You can help them with setting up a shop,

00:30:43.694 --> 00:30:44.875
all these different things.

00:30:45.736 --> 00:30:46.797
I've got another question

00:30:46.856 --> 00:30:47.896
here real quick that we're

00:30:47.916 --> 00:30:49.317
going to go to from YouTube.

00:30:50.618 --> 00:30:51.739
Mark Waybright.

00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:53.619
Their question is,

00:30:53.740 --> 00:30:54.881
I'm trying to start my own

00:30:54.941 --> 00:30:56.721
business using simple designs.

00:30:57.402 --> 00:30:58.923
I seem to be late to the game.

00:30:59.083 --> 00:31:00.903
Is there still room for me in the markets?

00:31:02.366 --> 00:31:02.626
Yeah.

00:31:02.906 --> 00:31:04.587
I mean, there's always room in the market.

00:31:05.248 --> 00:31:08.729
I'd say it's simply a matter

00:31:08.909 --> 00:31:11.069
of building up your skill base,

00:31:11.450 --> 00:31:15.592
figuring out, refining your work,

00:31:15.652 --> 00:31:17.833
figuring out what your own

00:31:17.952 --> 00:31:19.032
personal style is.

00:31:19.732 --> 00:31:21.013
And there will always be people

00:31:22.910 --> 00:31:24.671
looking for that I'd say the

00:31:24.691 --> 00:31:26.811
jewelry industry especially

00:31:26.892 --> 00:31:28.432
from a buyer's standpoint

00:31:28.511 --> 00:31:29.853
someone buying handmade

00:31:29.873 --> 00:31:31.834
jewelry people are looking

00:31:31.874 --> 00:31:32.693
for things that are very

00:31:32.794 --> 00:31:34.055
unique they're looking for

00:31:34.115 --> 00:31:36.576
things that are not like

00:31:38.576 --> 00:31:39.376
store-bought jewelry

00:31:39.416 --> 00:31:40.037
they're looking for

00:31:40.076 --> 00:31:41.278
something that's handmade

00:31:41.337 --> 00:31:42.557
and that is original and

00:31:42.597 --> 00:31:43.618
they're not going to find

00:31:43.659 --> 00:31:45.078
anywhere else my

00:31:45.179 --> 00:31:47.400
observation is um because

00:31:47.420 --> 00:31:48.520
we have a number of amazing

00:31:48.540 --> 00:31:51.422
jewelers here at rio grande and and uh

00:31:52.724 --> 00:31:54.486
My observation and my

00:31:54.546 --> 00:31:57.567
experience is a lot of times as jewelers,

00:31:57.906 --> 00:31:59.728
we tend to be a little bit,

00:32:02.669 --> 00:32:03.949
we hide out in our studios.

00:32:04.449 --> 00:32:05.769
And we can spend hours and

00:32:05.829 --> 00:32:07.029
hours sitting at our bench

00:32:07.430 --> 00:32:08.931
making these amazing things.

00:32:09.851 --> 00:32:12.332
And then it's taking it to the market.

00:32:12.412 --> 00:32:14.393
How do we get it from the

00:32:14.452 --> 00:32:16.554
studio to the collector, if you will,

00:32:16.634 --> 00:32:16.794
right?

00:32:16.814 --> 00:32:17.173
Mm-hmm.

00:32:18.449 --> 00:32:20.050
And what I've experienced

00:32:20.090 --> 00:32:22.874
and what I tell people is that passion,

00:32:22.933 --> 00:32:24.295
you have to figure out how

00:32:24.915 --> 00:32:26.297
to explain that passion you

00:32:26.336 --> 00:32:30.820
have as a maker to your potential client.

00:32:31.801 --> 00:32:32.182
Because...

00:32:33.737 --> 00:32:35.417
It's that passion that they key in on.

00:32:36.498 --> 00:32:38.699
We're inundated with amazing designs.

00:32:38.739 --> 00:32:40.480
We're inundated with all

00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:42.101
these different things every day,

00:32:42.260 --> 00:32:44.061
you know, on social media and everything.

00:32:44.701 --> 00:32:46.022
It's always coming at us.

00:32:46.903 --> 00:32:49.403
But the thing that really is

00:32:49.423 --> 00:32:51.265
going to be the

00:32:51.325 --> 00:32:54.145
differentiator is how do

00:32:54.185 --> 00:32:55.146
you tell your story?

00:32:55.586 --> 00:32:55.767
Yeah.

00:32:56.027 --> 00:32:57.048
Because as a maker,

00:32:57.107 --> 00:33:01.530
that's what separates me from you.

00:33:01.651 --> 00:33:04.512
You have an amazing story as a maker.

00:33:04.553 --> 00:33:06.035
You've been exposed to all

00:33:06.055 --> 00:33:07.134
these amazing jewelers.

00:33:07.154 --> 00:33:08.215
Your mom is an author.

00:33:08.596 --> 00:33:10.597
You started doing things as a young child.

00:33:11.057 --> 00:33:13.160
You pursued your passion in school,

00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:14.381
and then you were seeking

00:33:14.441 --> 00:33:16.321
out a position as a bench jeweler,

00:33:16.362 --> 00:33:19.545
and you ended up at Rio Grande.

00:33:19.785 --> 00:33:20.625
That right there,

00:33:20.806 --> 00:33:22.586
in my way of looking at it,

00:33:23.922 --> 00:33:26.682
That's what the collectors key in on.

00:33:27.242 --> 00:33:30.442
Because that passion, recognizing it,

00:33:30.542 --> 00:33:32.002
seeing it,

00:33:32.643 --> 00:33:34.163
that's what people really care about.

00:33:34.223 --> 00:33:35.544
They want to support

00:33:35.604 --> 00:33:38.124
somebody who is pursuing their passion,

00:33:38.183 --> 00:33:39.444
who is following their

00:33:39.484 --> 00:33:42.005
dreams and working towards something.

00:33:42.244 --> 00:33:42.565
Yeah.

00:33:42.805 --> 00:33:43.484
What's also really

00:33:43.605 --> 00:33:45.246
interesting is that you can

00:33:45.326 --> 00:33:46.905
always sort of see a history,

00:33:47.746 --> 00:33:48.905
almost through someone's work,

00:33:49.226 --> 00:33:51.426
of how they got to where they are.

00:33:51.446 --> 00:33:51.487
So...

00:33:54.291 --> 00:33:55.453
I would say there were times

00:33:55.554 --> 00:33:57.256
where I'd apprentice with

00:33:57.296 --> 00:34:00.200
other jewelers or just do some bench work,

00:34:00.259 --> 00:34:01.842
sort of see how they did things,

00:34:01.981 --> 00:34:03.503
even if it's just like a

00:34:03.565 --> 00:34:04.425
couple of minutes sort of

00:34:04.445 --> 00:34:05.166
looking over someone's

00:34:05.207 --> 00:34:06.909
shoulder and them showing like, oh,

00:34:06.969 --> 00:34:07.869
here's how I do this.

00:34:08.630 --> 00:34:10.293
You, as a jeweler,

00:34:12.034 --> 00:34:12.954
Slowly over time,

00:34:13.014 --> 00:34:14.715
accumulate more skills and

00:34:14.755 --> 00:34:16.117
just ways of using those

00:34:16.157 --> 00:34:19.579
skills by taking in what's around you,

00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.021
getting a feel for different metals,

00:34:22.601 --> 00:34:24.684
different tools, different processes.

00:34:25.344 --> 00:34:26.726
Everything is going to react

00:34:26.846 --> 00:34:28.706
slightly differently and

00:34:29.628 --> 00:34:31.489
end up getting you to a certain outcome.

00:34:32.110 --> 00:34:33.570
And I'd say how you get there,

00:34:33.630 --> 00:34:35.112
someone who's going from,

00:34:35.132 --> 00:34:37.793
say someone's a goldsmith,

00:34:37.873 --> 00:34:38.735
someone's going from

00:34:38.775 --> 00:34:40.076
working in silver to gold.

00:34:40.773 --> 00:34:41.735
that's a very specific

00:34:41.775 --> 00:34:43.436
process someone jumping

00:34:43.556 --> 00:34:45.759
just in the gold also a

00:34:45.818 --> 00:34:47.000
different process someone

00:34:47.059 --> 00:34:49.463
going through base metals

00:34:49.682 --> 00:34:51.704
whoops base metals the

00:34:51.744 --> 00:34:53.246
silver the gold and working

00:34:53.266 --> 00:34:54.947
with different mediums also

00:34:55.007 --> 00:34:56.048
a different process so

00:34:56.570 --> 00:34:57.731
you're going to carry with

00:34:57.771 --> 00:34:58.871
you as a jeweler

00:34:59.954 --> 00:35:02.976
your own sort of history of technique,

00:35:03.556 --> 00:35:04.815
and that's going to really

00:35:04.876 --> 00:35:07.637
be reflected in your finished piece,

00:35:08.237 --> 00:35:09.838
and people are going to pick up on it.

00:35:10.518 --> 00:35:12.059
People are really receptive to that.

00:35:13.798 --> 00:35:15.199
I think you said something

00:35:15.219 --> 00:35:16.119
that was really important.

00:35:16.619 --> 00:35:17.659
So all these different

00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:19.300
metals all have very

00:35:19.501 --> 00:35:21.701
specific requirements that

00:35:21.742 --> 00:35:22.581
go along with them,

00:35:22.961 --> 00:35:24.161
technical requirements as

00:35:24.202 --> 00:35:25.402
well as tool requirements

00:35:25.463 --> 00:35:26.202
and things like that.

00:35:27.003 --> 00:35:30.965
And oftentimes I get younger

00:35:31.085 --> 00:35:32.786
people that come to me and they say, hey,

00:35:32.827 --> 00:35:33.907
you know, I want to become a jeweler.

00:35:34.507 --> 00:35:36.269
Can you teach me and everything?

00:35:36.690 --> 00:35:38.070
And I'm like, yeah,

00:35:38.110 --> 00:35:40.813
I can teach you because

00:35:41.873 --> 00:35:43.193
it's really kind of basic.

00:35:43.233 --> 00:35:44.815
The beginning of it is pretty basic.

00:35:45.096 --> 00:35:46.617
Like you said, you started out with a saw,

00:35:46.637 --> 00:35:47.878
you started out with a hand drill,

00:35:48.237 --> 00:35:49.159
and you started out with a

00:35:49.918 --> 00:35:50.860
Frederick Dick files.

00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:51.059
Yeah.

00:35:51.539 --> 00:35:51.619
Oh,

00:35:51.699 --> 00:35:53.280
I don't think I started out quite that

00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:53.641
yet.

00:35:53.780 --> 00:35:54.561
Well, I encourage you.

00:35:54.581 --> 00:35:55.380
If you're starting out,

00:35:55.420 --> 00:35:56.501
get some Frederick Dick files.

00:35:57.202 --> 00:35:58.581
It definitely would have made it easier.

00:35:59.702 --> 00:36:01.643
You start out with very rudimentary tools.

00:36:02.643 --> 00:36:04.804
And this is what I tell people.

00:36:05.043 --> 00:36:06.644
When you get good with those tools.

00:36:06.804 --> 00:36:07.005
Yeah.

00:36:08.052 --> 00:36:10.213
then then you can start

00:36:10.813 --> 00:36:12.094
experimenting but the

00:36:12.233 --> 00:36:14.255
fastest way to learn in my

00:36:14.315 --> 00:36:15.295
opinion the fastest way to

00:36:15.335 --> 00:36:17.478
get ahead I'm I'm a I'm an

00:36:17.538 --> 00:36:19.278
observer I'm a listener and

00:36:19.318 --> 00:36:20.699
I love to hang out around

00:36:20.838 --> 00:36:21.900
other creative people they

00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:22.581
don't even have to be

00:36:22.621 --> 00:36:24.121
jewelers because just

00:36:24.221 --> 00:36:25.262
listening to them talk

00:36:25.322 --> 00:36:27.003
about their process talk

00:36:27.043 --> 00:36:28.164
about how they do things

00:36:28.204 --> 00:36:29.224
how they set up how they

00:36:29.244 --> 00:36:30.085
prepare themselves

00:36:30.565 --> 00:36:30.806
You know,

00:36:31.527 --> 00:36:33.909
it gives me ideas on what I can

00:36:33.949 --> 00:36:36.092
do and what I relate to.

00:36:36.132 --> 00:36:36.413
Yeah.

00:36:36.813 --> 00:36:39.077
And so I think that's

00:36:39.117 --> 00:36:40.099
something that's important

00:36:40.139 --> 00:36:41.039
is the networking.

00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:41.440
Yeah.

00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:41.681
Yeah.

00:36:42.923 --> 00:36:44.005
who you're who you're

00:36:44.065 --> 00:36:45.226
surrounding yourself with

00:36:45.826 --> 00:36:46.726
because if you want to

00:36:46.766 --> 00:36:48.467
become a better painter a

00:36:48.588 --> 00:36:49.708
better jeweler a better

00:36:49.768 --> 00:36:51.610
sculptor whatever it is the

00:36:51.650 --> 00:36:53.251
fastest way to do that is

00:36:53.311 --> 00:36:55.713
get around people who are

00:36:55.753 --> 00:36:56.755
better than you yeah

00:36:57.275 --> 00:36:58.315
because they're they're

00:36:58.335 --> 00:36:59.797
gonna bring you up to their

00:36:59.896 --> 00:37:03.099
level exactly yeah yeah so

00:37:03.139 --> 00:37:04.581
we're we're reaching the

00:37:04.780 --> 00:37:05.641
end of our time um

00:37:08.353 --> 00:37:09.514
And let me warn you,

00:37:10.135 --> 00:37:10.956
we're going to be done soon.

00:37:10.996 --> 00:37:11.996
So if you have any questions,

00:37:12.056 --> 00:37:13.177
now is your chance to get them in.

00:37:13.597 --> 00:37:14.438
If you have any questions

00:37:14.478 --> 00:37:15.719
specifically for Fiona.

00:37:16.940 --> 00:37:18.581
But what I want to ask you, Fiona,

00:37:19.081 --> 00:37:20.963
is first of all,

00:37:21.943 --> 00:37:24.045
do you have a tool on your

00:37:24.144 --> 00:37:27.027
bench that is like your favorite tool?

00:37:27.206 --> 00:37:29.748
What tool is your go-to?

00:37:31.217 --> 00:37:31.597
A hammer.

00:37:31.617 --> 00:37:32.398
I knew it.

00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:33.818
Everybody says a hammer.

00:37:34.398 --> 00:37:36.440
It was the first tool I ever got.

00:37:36.460 --> 00:37:38.081
And it wasn't even like...

00:37:38.101 --> 00:37:38.621
What kind of hammer?

00:37:38.981 --> 00:37:39.380
Tell me what... Oh,

00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:41.461
just like a hardware store hammer.

00:37:41.481 --> 00:37:42.041
Yeah?

00:37:42.322 --> 00:37:42.561
I mean,

00:37:42.621 --> 00:37:44.123
now I have... Like a ball-peen hammer?

00:37:44.583 --> 00:37:45.222
Essentially.

00:37:45.242 --> 00:37:45.543
Yeah?

00:37:45.583 --> 00:37:45.842
Yeah.

00:37:46.123 --> 00:37:47.923
It was just, here's a hammer.

00:37:48.844 --> 00:37:50.025
See what you can do with it.

00:37:50.304 --> 00:37:51.626
And over the years,

00:37:51.746 --> 00:37:53.865
I've gotten different types of hammers.

00:37:53.945 --> 00:37:55.146
Different... Obviously,

00:37:55.206 --> 00:37:57.047
now I have much nicer hammers than that.

00:37:57.608 --> 00:37:57.807
But...

00:37:59.483 --> 00:38:02.224
It really influenced pretty

00:38:02.264 --> 00:38:03.664
much everything I've done since then.

00:38:03.824 --> 00:38:06.565
Obviously now I do repoussé, I do chasing,

00:38:06.666 --> 00:38:09.706
I do hammering, texturing, shaping,

00:38:09.867 --> 00:38:10.306
forming metal.

00:38:10.327 --> 00:38:11.688
So how many hammers do you own now?

00:38:12.967 --> 00:38:13.088
Oh.

00:38:14.489 --> 00:38:17.530
This is the telltale giveaway right here.

00:38:20.751 --> 00:38:21.771
Okay, let me make it easier for you.

00:38:21.791 --> 00:38:22.911
I probably have more than a

00:38:22.972 --> 00:38:23.931
dozen at this point.

00:38:24.132 --> 00:38:25.172
Okay, that's what I was going to get.

00:38:25.532 --> 00:38:26.893
More than 10, less than 100.

00:38:28.554 --> 00:38:29.373
More than 10, less than 100.

00:38:29.474 --> 00:38:30.813
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:30.893 --> 00:38:31.875
I can always use more.

00:38:32.835 --> 00:38:34.916
I've yet to meet a jeweler who can't.

00:38:35.295 --> 00:38:36.016
Exactly.

00:38:36.056 --> 00:38:37.757
I have drawers full of them and...

00:38:39.871 --> 00:38:42.333
When my son was young,

00:38:44.396 --> 00:38:45.456
he could ruin hammers.

00:38:46.458 --> 00:38:46.898
Oh, yeah.

00:38:46.998 --> 00:38:49.440
And I would come, you know,

00:38:49.460 --> 00:38:50.101
I would have these

00:38:50.260 --> 00:38:52.643
beautiful chasing hammers, you know,

00:38:52.664 --> 00:38:54.646
and you finish them and you

00:38:54.666 --> 00:38:55.867
have your faces just right.

00:38:55.887 --> 00:38:56.728
And then he'd be over there

00:38:56.768 --> 00:38:57.849
hammering rocks with them.

00:38:57.869 --> 00:38:58.690
Oh, no.

00:38:58.750 --> 00:38:59.590
It was amazing, but...

00:39:00.699 --> 00:39:01.440
But it did give me the

00:39:01.460 --> 00:39:02.320
opportunity to teach him

00:39:02.340 --> 00:39:03.280
how to reface a hammer.

00:39:03.340 --> 00:39:03.860
Exactly.

00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:05.061
There's always a learning

00:39:05.081 --> 00:39:05.820
opportunity there.

00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.101
But yeah, I don't know.

00:39:09.121 --> 00:39:10.481
I can't say that a hammer is

00:39:10.521 --> 00:39:12.762
my... I still revert back to a pencil.

00:39:13.742 --> 00:39:14.023
For me,

00:39:14.123 --> 00:39:15.284
it's always a pencil because

00:39:16.184 --> 00:39:17.523
everything starts with an idea.

00:39:18.704 --> 00:39:20.625
And I always tell people that...

00:39:22.452 --> 00:39:23.831
Paper is a lot cheaper than metal.

00:39:24.632 --> 00:39:25.012
It is.

00:39:25.132 --> 00:39:28.434
So work out as much as you can in paper.

00:39:28.813 --> 00:39:30.434
And I'm fortunate because I

00:39:31.094 --> 00:39:31.755
teach sculpture

00:39:31.795 --> 00:39:32.594
fundamentals at the

00:39:32.635 --> 00:39:33.815
Institute of American Indian Arts.

00:39:34.554 --> 00:39:35.596
And so one of the first

00:39:35.635 --> 00:39:36.755
things I have my students

00:39:36.795 --> 00:39:39.157
do is build models out of cardboard.

00:39:39.317 --> 00:39:39.436
Mm-hmm.

00:39:40.436 --> 00:39:44.679
It helps you to think in three dimensions.

00:39:45.260 --> 00:39:47.822
It helps you to take what's

00:39:47.862 --> 00:39:49.764
in your mind and turn it

00:39:49.804 --> 00:39:51.905
into a physical object with

00:39:51.945 --> 00:39:54.206
these recyclable and less

00:39:54.266 --> 00:39:55.909
expensive materials,

00:39:56.009 --> 00:39:57.369
masking tape and cardboard.

00:39:58.110 --> 00:39:59.750
And over the years,

00:40:00.451 --> 00:40:01.411
the reason why I do that

00:40:01.431 --> 00:40:02.510
with my sculpture students

00:40:02.590 --> 00:40:05.251
is because I will use a heavy paper.

00:40:06.072 --> 00:40:07.552
I do a lot of hollowware,

00:40:08.112 --> 00:40:09.192
hollow objects and things.

00:40:09.851 --> 00:40:12.452
And I'll do a moquette in paper.

00:40:12.793 --> 00:40:13.032
Yeah.

00:40:13.672 --> 00:40:14.552
Because for one,

00:40:15.153 --> 00:40:15.914
it helps me figure out

00:40:16.054 --> 00:40:16.853
angles and everything.

00:40:17.554 --> 00:40:18.193
But also,

00:40:18.853 --> 00:40:22.335
once you have that object in paper,

00:40:23.014 --> 00:40:25.135
then you can really see it in metal.

00:40:25.376 --> 00:40:25.476
Yeah.

00:40:25.496 --> 00:40:25.596
Yeah.

00:40:28.780 --> 00:40:30.003
One thing I've always,

00:40:30.362 --> 00:40:31.244
one thing I've wanted to do

00:40:31.304 --> 00:40:32.184
since I got to Rio Grande,

00:40:32.204 --> 00:40:33.065
I haven't been able to do it.

00:40:33.867 --> 00:40:35.949
And this is leading into a

00:40:35.989 --> 00:40:36.690
question for you.

00:40:37.811 --> 00:40:40.153
I have three guys on my team.

00:40:41.255 --> 00:40:42.175
Three of my teammates are

00:40:42.757 --> 00:40:44.239
amazing CAD people.

00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:48.963
And they do phenomenal 3D printing stuff.

00:40:50.797 --> 00:40:51.878
I want to be able to do that.

00:40:52.157 --> 00:40:52.318
Yeah.

00:40:52.338 --> 00:40:53.579
It's a whole new language.

00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:53.958
Yeah.

00:40:54.398 --> 00:40:57.041
And I tell young jewelers, you know,

00:40:58.242 --> 00:40:59.601
you need to consider making

00:40:59.661 --> 00:41:00.543
that part of your,

00:41:01.242 --> 00:41:03.824
as much as a hammer is a great tool,

00:41:04.625 --> 00:41:06.927
you know, now in my career,

00:41:08.088 --> 00:41:09.347
I've come to the,

00:41:10.869 --> 00:41:12.750
I've had to accept that I'm

00:41:12.909 --> 00:41:13.931
not going to have enough

00:41:13.990 --> 00:41:15.311
years to produce all the

00:41:15.411 --> 00:41:16.413
ideas that I have.

00:41:16.952 --> 00:41:17.132
Yeah.

00:41:18.282 --> 00:41:19.244
So what I want to be able to

00:41:19.304 --> 00:41:22.606
do is make it possible to

00:41:23.445 --> 00:41:25.407
have those ideas manifest themselves,

00:41:25.467 --> 00:41:26.668
perhaps even after I'm gone.

00:41:27.248 --> 00:41:29.110
So if I can save them as CAD files,

00:41:29.170 --> 00:41:32.873
if I can save them in a computer,

00:41:33.373 --> 00:41:36.594
then they can be realized in the future.

00:41:37.255 --> 00:41:38.876
So I think that's really

00:41:39.476 --> 00:41:40.777
something that the jewelry

00:41:40.818 --> 00:41:41.838
industry is embracing.

00:41:41.858 --> 00:41:43.780
I see that in customization.

00:41:44.500 --> 00:41:45.119
We get a lot of...

00:41:46.340 --> 00:41:47.641
3d things that come in from

00:41:47.702 --> 00:41:49.443
customers and when you see

00:41:49.483 --> 00:41:51.023
that 3d object you know

00:41:51.063 --> 00:41:51.965
that's come off the 3d

00:41:52.005 --> 00:41:53.525
printer yeah it's it's a

00:41:53.585 --> 00:41:56.327
lot easier to answer their

00:41:56.387 --> 00:41:57.347
questions and tell them

00:41:57.367 --> 00:41:58.548
yeah this is possible and

00:41:58.588 --> 00:42:00.309
this is possible and this

00:42:00.389 --> 00:42:02.090
is what it might cost you

00:42:02.110 --> 00:42:03.271
know well yeah and also we

00:42:03.331 --> 00:42:04.592
have a wonderful

00:42:04.632 --> 00:42:06.333
customization team that

00:42:06.813 --> 00:42:08.454
really goes through so a

00:42:08.494 --> 00:42:09.534
customer would send in

00:42:09.574 --> 00:42:11.755
their own cad model and

00:42:12.797 --> 00:42:14.117
We do have a partnership

00:42:14.297 --> 00:42:15.898
with an outside CAD

00:42:15.918 --> 00:42:16.797
designer as well who's a

00:42:16.898 --> 00:42:18.018
wonderfully skilled

00:42:18.057 --> 00:42:19.898
individual who you can find

00:42:19.938 --> 00:42:20.838
more information about on

00:42:20.878 --> 00:42:23.458
our website under the custom casting.

00:42:23.539 --> 00:42:25.858
But our customization team

00:42:25.938 --> 00:42:27.239
really does have that back

00:42:27.278 --> 00:42:29.500
and forth with customers to figure out,

00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:31.400
hey, is this possible?

00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:32.679
How is this going to work?

00:42:32.780 --> 00:42:34.481
And figuring out and working

00:42:34.581 --> 00:42:35.360
through all that,

00:42:35.780 --> 00:42:37.701
there's a lot of just

00:42:37.740 --> 00:42:38.561
development during that

00:42:38.601 --> 00:42:39.842
process in order to make it

00:42:39.882 --> 00:42:42.442
work and really figure that out.

00:42:43.893 --> 00:42:45.257
And I think that's a great

00:42:45.378 --> 00:42:47.503
opportunity for people who may not be

00:42:49.471 --> 00:42:50.612
hammer swinging jewels.

00:42:51.452 --> 00:42:52.632
It's a way for them to come

00:42:52.672 --> 00:42:55.333
into the jewelry world as

00:42:55.434 --> 00:42:57.755
designers and be able to

00:42:58.335 --> 00:43:01.097
get that idea to reality.

00:43:01.958 --> 00:43:04.059
We have another question from YouTube.

00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:06.780
Nancy Ketchum asks,

00:43:07.702 --> 00:43:08.782
do you recommend getting a

00:43:08.862 --> 00:43:11.224
cab king and saw to begin?

00:43:11.923 --> 00:43:12.264
Sorry,

00:43:12.304 --> 00:43:13.724
I was late to your program if

00:43:13.744 --> 00:43:14.766
someone already asked this.

00:43:16.527 --> 00:43:17.146
Do you do lapidary?

00:43:17.751 --> 00:43:18.532
I don't do lapidary.

00:43:18.572 --> 00:43:19.012
Not yet.

00:43:19.773 --> 00:43:20.452
One of these days.

00:43:20.472 --> 00:43:20.773
Yeah.

00:43:20.994 --> 00:43:22.315
Well, I do lapidary.

00:43:22.594 --> 00:43:24.175
And so I think she's

00:43:24.255 --> 00:43:25.277
asking... I don't know if

00:43:25.297 --> 00:43:28.278
she's asking about inlay or

00:43:28.900 --> 00:43:30.780
cabbing or what specifically.

00:43:32.202 --> 00:43:33.382
So it's kind of hard for me

00:43:33.402 --> 00:43:38.246
to... I'm missing some information there,

00:43:38.266 --> 00:43:38.626
Nancy.

00:43:38.646 --> 00:43:39.668
But what I will say is...

00:43:42.355 --> 00:43:43.875
Cab kings are great machines.

00:43:44.376 --> 00:43:45.835
They're really good for

00:43:46.755 --> 00:43:48.277
making large cabs and

00:43:48.317 --> 00:43:50.297
working with large stones.

00:43:51.097 --> 00:43:53.177
And a lapidary saw is

00:43:53.257 --> 00:43:54.418
absolutely necessary.

00:43:55.579 --> 00:43:57.039
The size of saw you need,

00:43:57.079 --> 00:43:58.739
whether it's a six inch or a ten inch,

00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:00.019
is dependent on the size of

00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:00.960
stones you're working with.

00:44:01.621 --> 00:44:02.420
The bigger the stones,

00:44:02.460 --> 00:44:04.001
the bigger the saw you're going to need.

00:44:04.021 --> 00:44:05.581
The problem is the big saws

00:44:06.501 --> 00:44:07.702
are great for cutting tile.

00:44:08.797 --> 00:44:10.378
If you need to put tile in your bathroom,

00:44:10.737 --> 00:44:11.458
they're good for that.

00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:13.280
You don't use them very much.

00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:15.161
I have a big 10 inch saw and

00:44:15.181 --> 00:44:16.483
I maybe use it twice a year

00:44:17.063 --> 00:44:18.923
and it's to slab stone that

00:44:18.943 --> 00:44:20.045
I'm going to go to my six

00:44:20.105 --> 00:44:21.746
inch saw and make smaller

00:44:22.827 --> 00:44:24.688
to make it into workable

00:44:24.728 --> 00:44:25.728
materials and everything.

00:44:26.929 --> 00:44:29.072
And so Nancy,

00:44:29.112 --> 00:44:30.532
if you can give us a little

00:44:30.552 --> 00:44:31.193
more information,

00:44:31.233 --> 00:44:33.434
I'd be more than happy to

00:44:33.795 --> 00:44:35.655
answer your question more specifically.

00:44:37.097 --> 00:44:37.818
But in the meantime...

00:44:39.811 --> 00:44:40.791
We're coming up on our time,

00:44:40.831 --> 00:44:41.572
and I'm going to ask you

00:44:41.672 --> 00:44:42.432
one last question.

00:44:42.873 --> 00:44:44.074
Since you started out as a

00:44:44.114 --> 00:44:46.195
jeweler about age 12, this is perfect.

00:44:46.795 --> 00:44:48.257
Because what I want to know is,

00:44:48.978 --> 00:44:52.101
before I go to this cliffhanger, remember,

00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:54.702
before we end today,

00:44:54.702 --> 00:44:57.003
10% off all Frederick Dick

00:44:57.123 --> 00:44:59.206
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00:44:59.206 --> 00:45:00.606
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00:45:02.728 --> 00:45:04.472
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00:45:04.992 --> 00:45:05.773
The other thing is,

00:45:06.496 --> 00:45:08.278
if you didn't catch this live,

00:45:08.338 --> 00:45:12.344
you can listen to us, Fiona and I,

00:45:13.005 --> 00:45:13.567
on any...

00:45:15.795 --> 00:45:17.496
podcast way of doing it

00:45:17.556 --> 00:45:18.797
whether it's apple or

00:45:19.458 --> 00:45:21.159
spotify or wherever you

00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:22.280
listen to your podcast

00:45:22.300 --> 00:45:23.501
you're going to find for

00:45:23.521 --> 00:45:24.202
the love of jewelers

00:45:24.242 --> 00:45:25.422
podcast and you can hear

00:45:25.483 --> 00:45:27.083
fiano and nice entire

00:45:27.164 --> 00:45:28.105
conversation if you're

00:45:28.144 --> 00:45:29.545
coming in at the end of

00:45:29.585 --> 00:45:31.987
this um it it'll also be

00:45:32.067 --> 00:45:34.168
saved on youtube and I

00:45:34.248 --> 00:45:35.190
don't know whether or not

00:45:35.570 --> 00:45:36.309
we don't save it on

00:45:36.369 --> 00:45:37.851
instagram so if you're

00:45:37.871 --> 00:45:38.452
going to see it on

00:45:38.512 --> 00:45:41.253
instagram oh somebody's trying to uh

00:45:43.231 --> 00:45:44.530
ask me questions on my phone.

00:45:45.172 --> 00:45:46.311
We're not going to do that today.

00:45:46.612 --> 00:45:48.293
You have to go through YouTube,

00:45:48.652 --> 00:45:49.932
you have to go through Instagram,

00:45:49.952 --> 00:45:50.992
or you have to go through Facebook.

00:45:51.393 --> 00:45:52.213
If you're texting me,

00:45:52.494 --> 00:45:53.313
I'm not answering your

00:45:53.353 --> 00:45:55.614
questions on Tech Tuesday today.

00:45:56.574 --> 00:45:57.855
Maybe in the future, but not today.

00:45:58.396 --> 00:45:58.695
Anyhow,

00:45:59.675 --> 00:46:01.076
for those of you who do have my number,

00:46:01.315 --> 00:46:01.817
it's not fair.

00:46:01.836 --> 00:46:02.876
It's not fair to everybody else.

00:46:04.661 --> 00:46:05.884
So those are ways that you can do it.

00:46:06.384 --> 00:46:07.905
But my last question for you is,

00:46:08.586 --> 00:46:10.309
if you could give yourself advice,

00:46:10.409 --> 00:46:11.590
your 12 year old self,

00:46:12.652 --> 00:46:13.934
what advice would you give yourself?

00:46:16.637 --> 00:46:17.318
I would say,

00:46:19.722 --> 00:46:21.403
go for skills even if you

00:46:21.503 --> 00:46:22.625
don't think they're

00:46:22.644 --> 00:46:24.947
interesting or you don't

00:46:25.027 --> 00:46:25.987
think there's something you

00:46:26.007 --> 00:46:26.887
would be interested in.

00:46:26.947 --> 00:46:28.108
There were so many

00:46:28.550 --> 00:46:30.110
techniques and skills that

00:46:30.130 --> 00:46:31.751
I put off learning for many

00:46:31.791 --> 00:46:33.454
years because I just figured, oh,

00:46:33.474 --> 00:46:35.054
I don't know if that's

00:46:35.114 --> 00:46:36.376
something I really would be

00:46:36.396 --> 00:46:37.577
interested in doing or I

00:46:37.597 --> 00:46:38.177
don't know if that's

00:46:38.197 --> 00:46:39.179
something I don't see how I

00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:40.420
can apply that to my own work.

00:46:41.179 --> 00:46:43.262
And especially after coming to Rio,

00:46:43.302 --> 00:46:44.083
there's been a lot of

00:46:44.123 --> 00:46:45.123
skills that I've had the

00:46:45.164 --> 00:46:47.626
opportunity to really learn and

00:46:48.829 --> 00:46:52.199
hone down to figuring out.

00:46:53.530 --> 00:46:54.771
how it works especially in a

00:46:54.791 --> 00:46:56.032
manufacturing setup that

00:46:56.112 --> 00:46:58.072
gets expedited a bit but

00:46:58.092 --> 00:47:00.134
there's so many things that

00:47:00.153 --> 00:47:01.574
I put off for years being

00:47:01.594 --> 00:47:02.715
like I don't know if I

00:47:03.335 --> 00:47:04.356
really feel drawn to that

00:47:04.396 --> 00:47:07.199
and like 99 of the time I

00:47:07.438 --> 00:47:08.920
would say they're things

00:47:09.059 --> 00:47:11.902
I'm either I love doing now

00:47:12.342 --> 00:47:13.202
or the things that I've

00:47:13.302 --> 00:47:15.244
found a benefit of doing or

00:47:15.264 --> 00:47:16.344
they're just skills that

00:47:16.644 --> 00:47:19.726
impact how I do other things and they're

00:47:20.487 --> 00:47:22.568
it's worth it I'd say if you

00:47:22.708 --> 00:47:24.809
ever have an opportunity to

00:47:24.909 --> 00:47:27.070
learn a skill especially in

00:47:27.090 --> 00:47:28.351
the jewelry trade even if

00:47:28.431 --> 00:47:29.532
it's something you can't

00:47:29.612 --> 00:47:31.273
see how you would

00:47:31.313 --> 00:47:34.313
personally use go for it I

00:47:34.414 --> 00:47:35.494
i agree with you you can

00:47:35.574 --> 00:47:37.775
never know too much so you

00:47:37.815 --> 00:47:40.436
know it it's uh learn all

00:47:40.476 --> 00:47:41.637
you can and then and then a

00:47:41.657 --> 00:47:43.378
little bit more yeah and um

00:47:44.530 --> 00:47:45.791
As we come to the end of the show,

00:47:46.251 --> 00:47:47.012
thank you, Fiona.

00:47:47.293 --> 00:47:47.532
Thank you.

00:47:47.552 --> 00:47:48.813
You've been fantastic.

00:47:48.994 --> 00:47:52.097
And if anybody out there is

00:47:52.637 --> 00:47:53.918
looking to be Rio Pro,

00:47:54.539 --> 00:47:55.498
Fiona is your person.

00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:57.601
She can help you understand

00:47:57.641 --> 00:47:59.402
what being Rio Pro means and everything.

00:47:59.422 --> 00:48:00.742
That's something we didn't get into.

00:48:00.822 --> 00:48:01.744
Yeah.

00:48:02.204 --> 00:48:04.646
But we're going to change

00:48:04.686 --> 00:48:06.067
our format next week a little bit.

00:48:06.507 --> 00:48:07.809
We've been focused on people

00:48:07.849 --> 00:48:10.030
that work within Rio Grande.

00:48:10.050 --> 00:48:10.371
Mm-hmm.

00:48:11.197 --> 00:48:13.282
next week one of my favorite

00:48:13.322 --> 00:48:15.545
people to be around is

00:48:15.585 --> 00:48:16.487
going to be on my show

00:48:17.367 --> 00:48:17.909
they're going to be here

00:48:17.949 --> 00:48:20.313
for tech tuesday they're a

00:48:20.413 --> 00:48:22.016
master teacher master

00:48:22.056 --> 00:48:24.719
jeweler they are an expert on argentium

00:48:26.565 --> 00:48:29.851
So next Tuesday, you do not want to miss.

00:48:30.172 --> 00:48:31.452
Oh, I can see the wheel turning.

00:48:31.914 --> 00:48:32.976
You do not want to miss Tech

00:48:33.016 --> 00:48:34.418
Tuesday because we're going

00:48:34.438 --> 00:48:37.802
to have in-house Rhonda Coriel.

00:48:38.903 --> 00:48:39.465
Thank you, everybody.

00:48:40.487 --> 00:48:41.228
See you next Tuesday.